Comments on: Obama/Biden FTW!!!!

By: Johan

Johan — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:46:39 +0000

I think most people are for full equal rights actually but have the beliefs that religious term marriage is for man and woman.

With a full separation of state and church the problem would be solved, separating the legal document from the religious ceremony.
The church would lose their right to legally marry, but free to formulate the ceremony. And I don’t think a gay person is gonna try to get married in a church that doesn’t perform gay marriages.

This is what evangelical church leaders here in Sweden have proposed to the government. Full equal rights (which gays already have through the partnership ceremony) and the freedom for a church or pastor to say no if they find it irreconcilable with their interpretation of the bible.

By: Missy

Missy — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:50:30 +0000

I am still bubbling yes “bubbling” with joy. I actually voted for the first time yesterday althouth our backwoods state still hasn’t finished counting the votes. With regards to Prop 8 I think that there is hope. I truly believe that the young new voters boosted Obama to the place we needed him to be. My encouragement and action would be to take the exact or similar approach of the Obama campaign. Walk the streets, eat with people, and knock on their doors. I can’t tell you how many Obama supporters I have seen in the past week. At least 2 a day (estimated). From the more “rigid” party we got 15 phone calls on 11/3 it was just annoying and I quit answering the phone. Study, study, study Obama’s approach to win America he went with the least biased group (young people). It will get better (I believe or maybe I have to) as the “young people” get old and they have children, they will be even less bigoted citizens. I think that everyone will be equal at some point.

By: muskrat

muskrat — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:34:53 +0000

good meeting you tonight…hope to see y’all again next month!

By: PopMuse

PopMuse — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:55:54 +0000

I feel like it is Christmas, but there’s no present for me. For all the work I did for Obama, I get none of the joy, because the same voters that voted him in, voted me out. Last night Obama said “America is a place where all things are possible.” Not if you are gay and want to get Married. That sure as shit ain’t possible, not now. And the best way for straights to look at it is to flip the argument, change the “gay” to say “black” or “Red Headed” and see how silly it sounds. We shouldn’t be talking about separate but equal in 2008 and certainly not when we just nominated an African American President. Civil Unions are separate but equal. And yes Duane, a civil union is vastly more expensive and difficult to get than a marriage – take it from someone who has done both, it aint all that equal once you’ve been through both processes. The marriage took 4 days start to finish ($150) the civil union took months, lawyers, and ($1500). But you can’t know that as a straight person, because you’ll never have to go through that, and that’s something you should be very very happy about straights. Sincerely I’m happy for Straight people to not have to go through this, it sucks.

By: duane

duane — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:29:03 +0000

Slubbage: I have read about FairTax, and honestly, it is a GREAT idea!!! I just don’t know how it would actually play out, you know. It is a leap of faith, but then again, everything is. If it worked exactly as described, I am all for it!

As far as power of attorney and the hospital visitation, James and I had papers drawn up to protect us; total cost: $1500. I assume that a civil union would also allow those rights, but I am unsure if it would permit one very important thing that marriage allows, which is the passing of property without taxation to your partner. I think that marriage should just be a religious thing for everyone; not just gay people. Get it out of government all together. Everyone should get “civil unions”, and if you want to religiously, then get “marriage” in YOUR church. My Republican friends have got to appreciate that I am all for less government on this issue.

No worries about the preference comment; I just wanted you to know that it is one of those things that is a misused description, and can carry a connotation of “choice”. Learning is fun!

By: Slubbage

Slubbage — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 23:21:54 +0000

If taxes are truely what concerns you then I would suggest reading up on the FairTax. As far as power of attorney, and the ability to see your partner in the hospital I was under the assumption that a civil union provided you with those benefits. Is that not true?

My apologies on sexual “preference”. Wiki cleared it all up for me (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_preference) so atleast I learned something today.

By: duane

duane — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:51:12 +0000

Slubbage:

Regarding Prop 8â€¦the people of CA that voted yes do not â€œhateâ€ gay people. They voted on whether or not they think the definition of marriage should be changed. They fear the idea of the sanctitude of marriage being diminished.

They voted to strip people of civil rights, plain and simple. Regardless of the reason why, it is a move that can certainly be seen as based in hatred. I honestly don’t give two shits about marriage being “legal”, but in this case, that is a symbol of equality; and in this instance, it is a clear signal that they do not want us to have equal rights.

Obviously any couple that wants to be together should be able to have the same freedoms as anyone else no matter what your sexual preference.

Be careful of saying “sexual preference”; I don’t define my sexual orientation as a preference. I am gay, I didn’t chose it. These statements being said, I appreciate your support, and I know that you are just trying to make things seem better; which again, I appreciate. As far as dealing with marriage… I want it probably because I can’t have it! LOL

Stu: Honestly, if they would take away marriage from governmental oversight, I would be fine. Take it away from everyone; you shouldn’t get tax benefits because you are hitched. I think that if it were purely a religious union (which is what they bitch that they want so badly), and not something the government denies us, then the problem wouldn’t exist!!

By: Stu

Stu — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:18:10 +0000

Why the hell we want to deal with marriage is because it’s a legal right recognized by the government given to some American citizens that is explicitly not given to us – I’m glad that you and your wife can get a tax break, power of attorney, and the ability to see your partner in the hospital while we have to jump through several different hoops to get even one of those legal rights.

By: Slubbage

Slubbage — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:51:55 +0000

Easy on the salad tossing reference Rich

Regarding Prop 8…the people of CA that voted yes do not “hate” gay people. They voted on whether or not they think the definition of marriage should be changed. They fear the idea of the sanctitude of marriage being diminished. What they don’t realize is that it is Hollywood and celebrity culture that has ruined the sanctitude of marriage. It has been made a mockery and those with traditional values don’t see how allowing gay marriage will make it any better. Obviously any couple that wants to be together should be able to have the same freedoms as anyone else no matter what your sexual preference. I am not gay but I could care less who is married to who. What I don’t understand is why the hell you want to deal with marriage.

By: BooBoo

BooBoo — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:39:34 +0000

I was wondering why you were so upset. While my man did not win last night, I say congrats to all the Obama supporters. I do think that the voting booths were full of first-time and misinformed voters. You could probably take that into consideration for the Prop 8. While I lean towards fiscally conservative views, I do believe that people should be able to affirm their love for whomever they want. Don’t lose hope;)