I’m sure that the recent pull out definitely makes them forget about the last 5 years.

So we do need to fear them… even if we pull out? Sounds like reason to be over there to me.

Genocide is still genocide, even if you don’t “succeed” in your mission.

I wasn’t the one encouraging “genocide.” I said kill off all the extremists.

Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11!

Islamic extremist are responsible for 9/11. Islamic extremist are why we went into Iraq. We’ve captured and/or killed many Islamic extremists while we were there… we continue to do so. Those we are attacking in Iraq now are the ones trying to destroy the government the citizens of Iraq formed and the leaders they elected.

Again, they may be bad to start with, but we are certainly pouring a shit load of gas on that fire.

If we’re “forcing” shit on them to take what we want, then why are gas prices so high? Seems like we’re doing an awful job of forcing shit. I’m not claiming that everything we’ve done has been perfect or “positive for the rest of the world” and those things should be addressed. What we’ve done has been to better our country, that’s what we should be doing. If mistakes are made by bad politicians, it’s our job to vote them out of office. If those mistakes lead to people trying to kill us, then we should kill them first before they get a chance.

And you know this, how? Based on the past? Oh wait… they never attacked us… oh. That’s right. So I guess your magic 8 ball says that they will if we don’t kill them fist. Right….

And your magic 8 ball says they won’t attack us? Britain has begun their withdrawal of troops… two bombs were found with the intention of killing innocent civilians in London. I think there is more evidence to suggest they’ll attack us even if we’re not over there than there is that they won’t.

I am saying that America is not clear and free of any wrong doing, and as such, we need to examine what we have done to stir up this already volatile situation.

Like I said above, I’m not saying we’re “free and clear.” If we stirred shit up, let’s settle it. In the meantime we have people who want to kill us or put us under Islamic law. We cannot let these people succeed.

Do you support drilling for oil on our own soil?

The Brits are pulling their troops out of the Middle East so I would have to say no, this does not have anything to do with us being over there.

I’m sure that the recent pull out definitely makes them forget about the last 5 years.

Not to play semantics but no, that is not genocide. Genocide is killing off an entire race or cultural group. Whether or not they attack first has no bearing on genocide. Now, with that out of the way…

Uh, no. Genocide is still genocide, even if you don’t “succeed” in your mission. You want to kill off the entire country; that would count in my book. Half-assed genocide is still genocide, dave.

Are you fucking kidding me? Does 9/11 ring a bell? The USS Cole? Our Embassy in … I forget where the fuck it was. We have been attacked. And no, I don’t think the innocent Iraqi citizens attacked us but those that did and those that support those that did are the people we’re going after.

SERIOUSLY???? Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11! It was Al Queda! Who are now forming groups in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and of course Afghanistan because of our presence in Iraq. Dave, those that attacked us, to use Bush’s own words, really “aren’t our concern, in fact, I just don’t spend that much time on them”. Dude, seriously. I am all for getting those that attacked us on 9/11, but that is NOT what we are doing in Iraq. If you think so, you should seriously take a few minutes and go find out the truth.

WE are on the only the problem if WE do not like our way of life. I think we do. THESE people jeopardize our way of life. They do not want to live in peace with us. They want us dead or under Islamic law. They have said this, repeatedly.

I would think that our consistent and persistent taking things from them, forcing them to give us what they have in the way of making and establishing wealth, and controlling them to get what we need from them without care for their way of life, constitutes more that enough reason for them to want to attack us. I just don’t understand why you people cannot grasp that our influence throughout the world isn’t a positive one in many places, and as a result, we have pissed off (and continue to piss off) lots of people. Again, they may be bad to start with, but we are certainly pouring a shit load of gas on that fire.

They are going to attack us whether or not we’re there.

And you know this, how? Based on the past? Oh wait… they never attacked us… oh. That’s right. So I guess your magic 8 ball says that they will if we don’t kill them fist. Right….

I would ask that you just try to see where I am coming from, dave, before you attack my position. I am saying that America is not clear and free of any wrong doing, and as such, we need to examine what we have done to stir up this already volatile situation. We must stop taking advantage of these people, or they will continue getting more and more angry at us. Oil sharing agreements ring a bell? We won’t even let the people of Iraq rebuild their own country. We are taking them for every cent we can make, and the sick part is, it isn’t the whole “we”, it is just the minority of a few contract companies that represent us. Until we stop that, we will never be without some of the responsibility for the reasons they want us gone; both from their land, and from the world.

Dave, you still don’t think that what they are doing is a reaction to our presence there?

The Brits are pulling their troops out of the Middle East so I would have to say no, this does not have anything to do with us being over there.

And, the killing of thousands of people, people that have not attacked us, isn’t genocide to you?

Not to play semantics but no, that is not genocide. Genocide is killing off an entire race or cultural group. Whether or not they attack first has no bearing on genocide. Now, with that out of the way…

people that have not attacked us

Are you fucking kidding me? Does 9/11 ring a bell? The USS Cole? Our Embassy in … I forget where the fuck it was. We have been attacked. And no, I don’t think the innocent Iraqi citizens attacked us but those that did and those that support those that did are the people we’re going after.

Why not kill everyone that has ever said anything bad about America?

It’s all or nothing with you, isn’t it duane?

WE are the problem

WE are on the only the problem if WE do not like our way of life. I think we do. THESE people jeopardize our way of life. They do not want to live in peace with us. They want us dead or under Islamic law. They have said this, repeatedly.

Yes, they are bad people, and they are MOTIVATED by what we are doing.

They are going to attack us whether or not we’re there. Being there is of course going to give them more opportunities to attack us but it doesn’t mean they wouldn’t attack us if we weren’t there. They are the ones encouraging genocide. Genocide of everyone that does not follow their radical way of life.

But, per usual, I am sure that you won’t get it, and as such, I will have to say it again and again; but this time, I think that this is clear enough that I will do my best to just move on.

It is clear to me that you are the one that doesn’t get it.

And apparently, the killing of thousands of people, people that have not attacked us, isn’t genocide to you? You still want to “wipe out” the people in the area? Why stop there? Why not kill everyone that has ever said anything bad about America? Ugh. I just don’t understand why it is such a difficult concept for you, and others to grasp; WE are the problem, and they are responding to what WE are doing. Yes, they are bad people, and they are MOTIVATED by what we are doing.

But, per usual, I am sure that you won’t get it, and as such, I will have to say it again and again; but this time, I think that this is clear enough that I will do my best to just move on.

I mean, even with universal healthcare they still can’t get their teeth fixed.

It’s unfortunate, but laughable; because you don’t have to be so bitter. I wish you the happiness you have convinced yourself you will never have. It makes me appreciate the happiness I have that much more.