During the CLINTON YEARS they overhauled welfare and guess what happened. Those well-meaning lifetime welfare takers finally got jobs, PROVING the problem was their laziness all along. Where were you in the 90s? This has been proven.

It’s being reported all over the place that the surge has been making great progress SO FAR. Why don’t people want to admit this? IS THIS BAD NEWS TO ANYONE?????

Withdrawing from Iraq is most certainly surrender no matter how you want to play around with semantics. You still haven’t answered the question of what would be the result in that region and the world if we did withdraw now.

As long as the Dims are pursuing an agenda that helps the terrorists then it is a matter of Red vs Blue. The Dims have been trying to undermine the war effort from the very beginning. I have a big problem when any group tries to stab our military in the back by helping the enemy. Now they want all of our soldiers’ deaths to be in total vain by leaving too early just so they can make political gains. And you don’t find that repulsive?

As for poor people, what they are up against is themselves. In most cases people are poor due to their own habits. Did you ever go to school? If so, don’t you remember kids making horrible decisions with their lives, too LAZY to do work, having kids when they couldn’t afford them, drug use, etc. Duane, these people grow up and become poor. Giving them free things won’t help them.

And don’t be silly with the talk about mental patients and the like, because that is not the issue here.

All of our work would be for naught as Iraq would become a sactuary for terrorists.

The absolute WORST way to have a country establish a new government, one that we approve of, is to tell them how to do it, while we stand over their shoulder and hold back those that disapprove. Our work in Iraq was to take out Saddam, prevent him from using his non-existent WMDs, and then fight the terrorists of Al Queda. NOT to rebuild the government, NOT to occupy the country, and NOT to enforce our own values and laws in Iraq.

Again, with regards to YOUR ignorance on the poor, just because you say this:

duane YOU are completely ignorant if you think people are not poor because of laziness. We’ve established an entitlement mentality in this society causing people to look to the government for everything. Sure there are people that have fallen on hard times but for the majority of people they simply want a free hand out. Look at the shambles our welfare system is in. People popping out kid after kid for a bigger check and more food stamps… food stamps they sell so they can get a cell phone rather than food for their kids.

I don’t know how many times I can say this but the world is not supposed to be easy. It’s not peaches and cream. You must work hard to live and if you don’t you deserve to die. I lose no sleep at night thinking about the people that freeze to death on the streets rather than walking into McDonalds for a job application.

For those people out there that truly need help, I have no problem helping them. But for those that are a drain on our economy because they choose to be, nuh-uh. Let them rot.

does not diminish your ignorance. You in fact, enforce it. Dave, you must recognize, if you ever truly want to understand anyone other than yourself, that people do not start nor do they stand on equal ground. Where you are born, who you are born to, and who you are matter immensely in this world, and it DOES have an effect on how you find yourself in the economic echelons of this society. Until you can acknowledge this difference, and refrain from blaming everyone for their problems, especially ones that they cannot fix, and call all poor people lazy, you are turning an ignorant and blind eye to reality, and that is just sad. I am very glad that you are not the one in charge, because I would fear for anyone that is one paycheck away from being homeless themselves. To simplify the poor situation in this country in the manner that you have is insensitive, borderline racist, and suggestive of genocidal thoughts. I cringe when I read this, because I know you really think you are right.

Do you know that the predominant number of people on welfare are single white women? Do you know each and every one of their circumstances? Do you care? Also, those people rotting in the streets, that you suggest getting a job at McDonalds would solve all of their problems; do you stop to consider that they may have mental illness? Because I think it is estimated that something like 75% of homeless people are afflicted with mental illness, and the main reason they are homeless, is because they cannot take care of themselves. Should they just die because they can’t help it? That is sad. In addition to that, can you really believe that simply walking into the McDonald’s is going to give him a job, a place to live, etc? You have to put down an address to get the job; which is impossible if you are homeless. But I guess that is his own fault, right? Incredible. And if he does manage to get that job, the $6 an hour he gets is going to pay for his rent, power, clothes, food, etc? Gain some realistic perspective. Everything isn’t as easy as get a job and move on. There are many, many different variables that affect each and every person on this planet, that in turn affect where they fall financially, and it isn’t always about being “lazy”.

If you truly wanted to help those that wanted help, you would realize this, rather than lumping them all into the lazy category. But again, that would require you to put down your ignorance, which you don’t seem willing to do.

duane YOU are completely ignorant if you think people are not poor because of laziness. We’ve established an entitlement mentality in this society causing people to look to the government for everything. Sure there are people that have fallen on hard times but for the majority of people they simply want a free hand out. Look at the shambles our welfare system is in. People popping out kid after kid for a bigger check and more food stamps… food stamps they sell so they can get a cell phone rather than food for their kids.

I don’t know how many times I can say this but the world is not supposed to be easy. It’s not peaches and cream. You must work hard to live and if you don’t you deserve to die. I lose no sleep at night thinking about the people that freeze to death on the streets rather than walking into McDonalds for a job application.

For those people out there that truly need help, I have no problem helping them. But for those that are a drain on our economy because they choose to be, nuh-uh. Let them rot.

Unemployment is down and the economy is up. That sounds pretty positive to me.

Where are you getting this from? I believe that it was last week or the week before when the economy was in threat of depression! Things are not going as well as you think.

What they really want is withdrawal and surrender and stab the troops in the back so they can score political points at home. This is treachery and nothing less.

But talk about “democratic leadership”, let’s see if they allow it to go unfunded after the veto. That’s what they really *want* to do. Let’s see how spineless these “leaders” really are, and if they really mean what they have been saying about the war or if they are hypocrites.

Is that your problem lies in the fact that you are anti-Democrat. It isn’t going to work if it is Democrats vs. Republicans, both sides need to learn how to work together. Additionally, withdrawal from Iraq is not surrender, especially since we are occupying a country that never attacked us!

As for this:

Are you saying these $8/hour people had it made in the Clinton years? How do you justify blaming Bush? My guess is you don’t.

A little training, a little night school, a little self-discipline and they CAN get better jobs (but not GIVEN a better job). But most wont for obvious reasons about themselves.

Again with the Clinton talking points? When will you stop living in the past? In order to fix the problems of TODAY, we need to look at what is going on TODAY. As for the training and school nonsense, apparently, you don’t truly realize what poor people are up against either. Until you become enlightened to that, you will always believe that these people are lazy and just don’t want to try, and that is just wrong. Saying it over and over will only make it right for you, but it will not make it reality.

As for this:

Suffer? Please… I won’t utter the comment about getting a better job but how about getting an additional job. I worked two jobs when I was “working class” just to get by. Don’t give me that 1 in a 100 bullshit. I’m no anomaly, I’m just not lazy.

You are completely ignorant if you think that people are poor because they are lazy. It appears more and more that your ignorance on this is never going to change, and as such, you end up being part of the problem, instead of being part of a solution.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030901839.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/01/surge_produces_some_early_resu.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03202007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/why_its_working_____opedcolumnists_gordon_cucullu.htm?page=0