Comments on: maybe there’s hope after all http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/ Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:21:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: duane http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4061 duane Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:00:14 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4061 dave, I do fully understand and definitely respect that. Trust. I would like to see some reform go into passing of property, rights over health decisions and other things like that too; so we don't need marriage to protect us. Until then, all I can hope for is those marriage rights... dave, I do fully understand and definitely respect that. Trust. I would like to see some reform go into passing of property, rights over health decisions and other things like that too; so we don’t need marriage to protect us. Until then, all I can hope for is those marriage rights…

]]> By: dpb http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4060 dpb Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:35:56 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4060 My problem is I see the rights of the married infringing on my rights as a single person. My problem is I see the rights of the married infringing on my rights as a single person.

]]> By: duane http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4059 duane Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:32:13 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4059 I didn't disagree with you on principle, but it seems that you don't see the rights of the married as fair either, and so eliminating them would be the solution; when what I want is the rights of the married; they are good rights! I didn’t disagree with you on principle, but it seems that you don’t see the rights of the married as fair either, and so eliminating them would be the solution; when what I want is the rights of the married; they are good rights!

]]> By: dpb http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4058 dpb Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:27:59 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4058 Uhm... duane... that was my point. Fighting the uphill battle of getting same sex marriage legalized, why not encourage straight couples to get civil unions instead of marriage. Did you read my comment or just disagree with me immediately on principle? ;-) Uhm… duane… that was my point. Fighting the uphill battle of getting same sex marriage legalized, why not encourage straight couples to get civil unions instead of marriage. Did you read my comment or just disagree with me immediately on principle?
;-)

]]> By: Swizzle http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4057 Swizzle Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:33:50 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4057 Dizzy... I hear ya' buddy. But if you can do all of those things and they're legal ways to get around it (civil unions involving legal recognition and such), why do you need it? I'm not asking why you want it, or why anyone wants it... but why do you 'need' it? When the fairy tale doesn't work out quite like it does in a children's story book (which is always), then you make your own happy ending. It seems to me like you and your man are knocking it out. It's just one more thing to focus negativity on when the reality is you don't need it, you just want it. And that's a huge difference. Now, that said... I want it too. But I will not long for it. xo Dizzy…

I hear ya’ buddy. But if you can do all of those things and they’re legal ways to get around it (civil unions involving legal recognition and such), why do you need it? I’m not asking why you want it, or why anyone wants it… but why do you ‘need’ it? When the fairy tale doesn’t work out quite like it does in a children’s story book (which is always), then you make your own happy ending. It seems to me like you and your man are knocking it out. It’s just one more thing to focus negativity on when the reality is you don’t need it, you just want it. And that’s a huge difference.

Now, that said… I want it too. But I will not long for it.

xo

]]> By: duane http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4056 duane Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:07:30 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4056 Yes, I've heard of one, but it isn't very expensive to get a marriage license, and it isn't contestable, since it is upheld by the government; while our legal documents technically can be challenged. It goes without saying that what we have is in no way equivalent. We had to go to a lawyer a pay over $1k to get 3 rights to protect us from being screwed, and it barely even covers us. I'm just saying I want the same rights. That's all. Yes, I’ve heard of one, but it isn’t very expensive to get a marriage license, and it isn’t contestable, since it is upheld by the government; while our legal documents technically can be challenged. It goes without saying that what we have is in no way equivalent. We had to go to a lawyer a pay over $1k to get 3 rights to protect us from being screwed, and it barely even covers us. I’m just saying I want the same rights. That’s all.

]]> By: dpb http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4055 dpb Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:54:46 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4055 Amber, I guess my point is why should there be any benefits to marriage? What reason is there to have tax breaks for married people? What benefit do married people bring to society that they should receive something that a single person does not? I can see your point on the "next of kin" thing, but property? taxes? please... Oh, and duane: <blockquote>... without a piece of paper giving us the right to... </blockquote> Ever heard of a marriage license? It's a piece of paper that married couples must have. Amber, I guess my point is why should there be any benefits to marriage? What reason is there to have tax breaks for married people? What benefit do married people bring to society that they should receive something that a single person does not?

I can see your point on the “next of kin” thing, but property? taxes? please…

Oh, and duane:

… without a piece of paper giving us the right to…

Ever heard of a marriage license? It’s a piece of paper that married couples must have.

]]> By: Simon http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4054 Simon Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:53:17 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4054 That is what I have proposed all along: that the govt. gets out of the marriage business. Civils unions for gays and straights, and those religious types get their civil unions blessed or sanctified or whatever it is they need to do in their churches or other houses of superstition. I was listening to Michael Savage on the radio last night. He was ranting on about Jim McGreevy and the homosexual legacy he left in the NJ govt. and blaming him for the decision. I'm not a big fan of McGreevy, but if it's true then I say "Thanks, Jim". That is what I have proposed all along: that the govt. gets out of the marriage business. Civils unions for gays and straights, and those religious types get their civil unions blessed or sanctified or whatever it is they need to do in their churches or other houses of superstition.

I was listening to Michael Savage on the radio last night. He was ranting on about Jim McGreevy and the homosexual legacy he left in the NJ govt. and blaming him for the decision. I’m not a big fan of McGreevy, but if it’s true then I say “Thanks, Jim”.

]]> By: Steve http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4053 Steve Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:51:14 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4053 An excellent - full of hope - post, Duane. I guess I'm like most of our homo brethren... when I feel we've been completely beaten down, a small ray of hope shines through. An excellent - full of hope - post, Duane. I guess I’m like most of our homo brethren… when I feel we’ve been completely beaten down, a small ray of hope shines through.

]]> By: duane http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/10/maybe-theres-hope-after-all/#comment-4052 duane Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:51:23 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=368#comment-4052 dave, this is why we care: <blockquote>I just want there to be a time in my life where I can hold my partner's hand, walk down the street with wedding bands on, and truly be recognized as a legitimate couple. I want us to be able to see each other in the hospital without a piece of paper giving us the right to. If one of us dies, I want our property to be passed to that person without them having to pay taxes on it, because our union would recognize that it was theirs to begin with. That is my hope.</blockquote> Those things are automatic as soon as you say "I do". dave, this is why we care:

I just want there to be a time in my life where I can hold my partner’s hand, walk down the street with wedding bands on, and truly be recognized as a legitimate couple. I want us to be able to see each other in the hospital without a piece of paper giving us the right to. If one of us dies, I want our property to be passed to that person without them having to pay taxes on it, because our union would recognize that it was theirs to begin with. That is my hope.

Those things are automatic as soon as you say “I do”.

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