Comments on: one more medical marvel down the tubes http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:03:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Slubbage http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3332 Slubbage Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:35:34 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3332 Sorry...that was supposed to be "Eric...you're Canadian". Who's this Gary character? (Weird Science - 1985) Back to Eric...as far as getting the fuck out of dodge, please don't tell me that you think all of those people you saw on TV were too poor to get out of town. I'm tired of people shirking their own responsibility and wanting to blame everyone else for their decisions. Sure there were some people that couldn't make it out but most of the people became victims because they made a choice to stay in New Orleans despite the warnings to leave. It's very similar to these folks that the US is busting their ass (and spending tax payer money) to get out of Lebanon right now. You see interviews with a lot of them on TV saying how slow our response is and how miserable it is traveling from town to town and how George Bush created this whole thing in the first place....blah blah blah. Let me get straight to the point here. IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRAVEL TO LEBANON THEN EXPECT SOME SHIT TO GO DOWN WHEN THE TERRORISTS GET ANTSY! It's not the governments responsibility to protect you from everything bad that might happen in this world. Much like it's not the governments responsibility to spend tax dollars on embryonic stem cell research. That is what the private sector is for people. Sorry…that was supposed to be “Eric…you’re Canadian”.

Who’s this Gary character? (Weird Science - 1985)

Back to Eric…as far as getting the fuck out of dodge, please don’t tell me that you think all of those people you saw on TV were too poor to get out of town. I’m tired of people shirking their own responsibility and wanting to blame everyone else for their decisions. Sure there were some people that couldn’t make it out but most of the people became victims because they made a choice to stay in New Orleans despite the warnings to leave. It’s very similar to these folks that the US is busting their ass (and spending tax payer money) to get out of Lebanon right now. You see interviews with a lot of them on TV saying how slow our response is and how miserable it is traveling from town to town and how George Bush created this whole thing in the first place….blah blah blah. Let me get straight to the point here. IF YOU ARE GOING TO TRAVEL TO LEBANON THEN EXPECT SOME SHIT TO GO DOWN WHEN THE TERRORISTS GET ANTSY! It’s not the governments responsibility to protect you from everything bad that might happen in this world. Much like it’s not the governments responsibility to spend tax dollars on embryonic stem cell research. That is what the private sector is for people.

]]> By: Slubbage http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3331 Slubbage Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:12:09 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3331 Gary...you're Canadian....enough said Gary…you’re Canadian….enough said

]]> By: duane http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3330 duane Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:43:27 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3330 For those of you that are telling me that the government has no place funding research like this, think about the prospect of the government not funding other types of research, like for cancer, HIV, etc. That would be catastrophic. If you can't see the benefits this research will have, then that is your prerogative, but when the government says that it is wrong, well, I just think that is wrong. Something so important shouldn't be ignored; that's all I am saying. I am also tired of people using that "people need to help themselves" excuse on everything; not everyone stands on equal ground, so that isn't possible for everyone. Not all people are "just lazy" and "want to live on the government"; some people just aren't as fortunate as others; as was the case with MANY of those devastated by Katrina. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and hurtful, in my opinion. For those of you that are telling me that the government has no place funding research like this, think about the prospect of the government not funding other types of research, like for cancer, HIV, etc. That would be catastrophic. If you can’t see the benefits this research will have, then that is your prerogative, but when the government says that it is wrong, well, I just think that is wrong. Something so important shouldn’t be ignored; that’s all I am saying.

I am also tired of people using that “people need to help themselves” excuse on everything; not everyone stands on equal ground, so that isn’t possible for everyone. Not all people are “just lazy” and “want to live on the government”; some people just aren’t as fortunate as others; as was the case with MANY of those devastated by Katrina. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and hurtful, in my opinion.

]]> By: Eric http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3329 Eric Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:30:39 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3329 Wow, talk about a heated debate! Just a few points that I just had to add my 2c to... 1. dpb, I sincerely hope that you never have a debilitating disease and that no one in your family will ever experience it. Then you would truly have to get your head out of your ass and realize that a welfare state is not created by supporting continued research that can improve quality of life for millions - not just in the U.S. but around the world. 2. Slubbage, if you were amongst those people who couldn't afford to take a bus downtown like many of those affected and killed by Katrina, how exactly would you have gotten the fuck outta Dodge? Just curious. 3. Actually, I'm fine with Bush vetoing the funding. It just means that we Canadians and the rest of the world will pick up the slack, take in the researchers who want to help save and preserve human lives and finally give it to the world when we've cured these horrid diseases. Then you can come begging for it. There, I'm done. Wow, talk about a heated debate!
Just a few points that I just had to add my 2c to…
1. dpb, I sincerely hope that you never have a debilitating disease and that no one in your family will ever experience it. Then you would truly have to get your head out of your ass and realize that a welfare state is not created by supporting continued research that can improve quality of life for millions - not just in the U.S. but around the world.
2. Slubbage, if you were amongst those people who couldn’t afford to take a bus downtown like many of those affected and killed by Katrina, how exactly would you have gotten the fuck outta Dodge? Just curious.
3. Actually, I’m fine with Bush vetoing the funding. It just means that we Canadians and the rest of the world will pick up the slack, take in the researchers who want to help save and preserve human lives and finally give it to the world when we’ve cured these horrid diseases. Then you can come begging for it.

There, I’m done.

]]> By: Katie http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3328 Katie Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:37:46 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3328 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9776982/site/newsweek/ While this article is a bit dated, I found it pretty interesting. Could this actually be the issue that seperates the religious "right" from the republicans? I have a friend who is 23 and has MS. Some days are better than others. If anything can help explain/help/cure disease, I'm all for it. Poor, wealthy, lazy, motivated, whatever. Nobody deserves to suffer. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9776982/site/newsweek/
While this article is a bit dated, I found it pretty interesting. Could this actually be the issue that seperates the religious “right” from the republicans?

I have a friend who is 23 and has MS. Some days are better than others. If anything can help explain/help/cure disease, I’m all for it. Poor, wealthy, lazy, motivated, whatever. Nobody deserves to suffer.

]]> By: Socialist http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3327 Socialist Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:40:46 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3327 dpb, You may not want the hand out but this rich bitch will gladly pay for your mental health treatment since you obviously need it. Consider it my gift to humanity. dpb,
You may not want the hand out but this rich bitch will gladly pay for your mental health treatment since you obviously need it. Consider it my gift to humanity.

]]> By: gary http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3326 gary Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:37:33 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3326 Hypocrite is what he does...It's all he does. Hypocrite is what he does…It’s all he does.

]]> By: Slubbage http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3325 Slubbage Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:28:50 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3325 Duane, you need to understand what you're talking about before you criticize it. Bush's veto does not "stop this potentially life altering research". It doesn't allow federal funding for it. Big difference. As dpb pointed out, there is no reason for the government to be involved in this. I agree there are plenty of benefits that embryonic stem cell research leads to but the private sector is where that research needs to occur. If you're gonna bash Bush then bash him for the out of control spending his administration has allowed this term. I'm sure it frustrates people when his first veto is basically pandering to the religious right but the reality is we do not need to spend tax dollars on this. And the New Orleans reference by Robbuy...are you serious? You don't think local government should have handled that situation from the beginning? I'm not even talking about the people taking responsibility for their own actions here (ie getting the fuck out of dodge when a cat 5 hurricane is bearing down on you). I'm talking about a Democratic Mayor and Governor that shit the bed on helping their constituents. But I know it's much easier to blame Bush because of your hatred for everything he stands for. Did you know 911 was an inside job? Our secret! Duane, you need to understand what you’re talking about before you criticize it. Bush’s veto does not “stop this potentially life altering research”. It doesn’t allow federal funding for it. Big difference. As dpb pointed out, there is no reason for the government to be involved in this. I agree there are plenty of benefits that embryonic stem cell research leads to but the private sector is where that research needs to occur. If you’re gonna bash Bush then bash him for the out of control spending his administration has allowed this term. I’m sure it frustrates people when his first veto is basically pandering to the religious right but the reality is we do not need to spend tax dollars on this. And the New Orleans reference by Robbuy…are you serious? You don’t think local government should have handled that situation from the beginning? I’m not even talking about the people taking responsibility for their own actions here (ie getting the fuck out of dodge when a cat 5 hurricane is bearing down on you). I’m talking about a Democratic Mayor and Governor that shit the bed on helping their constituents. But I know it’s much easier to blame Bush because of your hatred for everything he stands for. Did you know 911 was an inside job? Our secret!

]]> By: dpb http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3324 dpb Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:22:39 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3324 <blockquote>Maybe I'm just expecting too much from the leader of our country.</blockquote> No, you're expecting too much from your government.

Maybe I’m just expecting too much from the leader of our country.

No, you’re expecting too much from your government.

]]> By: The Muse http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/07/one-more-medical-marvel-down-the-tubes/#comment-3323 The Muse Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:46:27 +0000 http://www.duanemoody.com/?p=293#comment-3323 <blockquote>The private sector is FAR better at innovating and bringing products to market than any governmental program. Plus, most pharmaceutical companies have programs where they give away their medicines to qualifying deadbeats... err... I mean less unfortunate. I, for one, am not rich but I sure as fuck don't want one cent of my hard earned money to pay for a single Tylenol to be given to some worthless piece of crap just as I don't expect someone to pay for my medicine when the time comes I need it. Am I fortunate? Am I lucky? Am I blessed? No... I'm a total asshole but I don't put the value of my life over anyone else's paycheck.</blockquote> Um, both of my grandparents are (or, now, my grandfather is, as my grandmother passed away in March) on a drug-payment assistance program. They are one of your so-called "worthless piece[s] of crap" that are, at least financially, part of the less fortunate, as mounting medical bills have rendered them unable to pay the exorbitant prescription costs. I take serious offense to your lumping them into "qualifying deadbeats" - they are not lazy people by any means. My grandmother worked to the day until her doctor told her that being on her feet would kill her - she loathed to give up her job. And up until the death of his wife of 50 years, my grandfather worked every day that he wasn't in surgery or recovery. Now that he's being moved into my uncle's house, as he isn't healthy enough to continue working, he's going to require more assistance from these pharmaceutical companies. Additionally... <blockquote>Not because of the moral reason that Bushie cited but because it's not the place of government to get involved in this nonsense. We've got private organizations for that.</blockquote> Nonsense? I think the government SHOULD be behind this every step of the way. It SAVES LIVES. These stem cells are essential in the research and development of cures for diseases that we don't currently have ways of combating. I simply don't understand how Bush is okay with throwing away embryos that go unused (in the example of the fertility clinics), instead of putting them to use to save millions of lives that are affected by terminal illnesses. Maybe I'm just expecting too much from the leader of our country.

The private sector is FAR better at innovating and bringing products to market than any governmental program. Plus, most pharmaceutical companies have programs where they give away their medicines to qualifying deadbeats… err… I mean less unfortunate.

I, for one, am not rich but I sure as fuck don’t want one cent of my hard earned money to pay for a single Tylenol to be given to some worthless piece of crap just as I don’t expect someone to pay for my medicine when the time comes I need it. Am I fortunate? Am I lucky? Am I blessed? No… I’m a total asshole but I don’t put the value of my life over anyone else’s paycheck.

Um, both of my grandparents are (or, now, my grandfather is, as my grandmother passed away in March) on a drug-payment assistance program. They are one of your so-called “worthless piece[s] of crap” that are, at least financially, part of the less fortunate, as mounting medical bills have rendered them unable to pay the exorbitant prescription costs. I take serious offense to your lumping them into “qualifying deadbeats” - they are not lazy people by any means. My grandmother worked to the day until her doctor told her that being on her feet would kill her - she loathed to give up her job. And up until the death of his wife of 50 years, my grandfather worked every day that he wasn’t in surgery or recovery.

Now that he’s being moved into my uncle’s house, as he isn’t healthy enough to continue working, he’s going to require more assistance from these pharmaceutical companies.

Additionally…

Not because of the moral reason that Bushie cited but because it’s not the place of government to get involved in this nonsense. We’ve got private organizations for that.

Nonsense? I think the government SHOULD be behind this every step of the way. It SAVES LIVES. These stem cells are essential in the research and development of cures for diseases that we don’t currently have ways of combating.

I simply don’t understand how Bush is okay with throwing away embryos that go unused (in the example of the fertility clinics), instead of putting them to use to save millions of lives that are affected by terminal illnesses.

Maybe I’m just expecting too much from the leader of our country.

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