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		<title>By: MARINA</title>
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		<description>Well it is clear the good old USA is under the control of the Bible Thumping Religious Right. I feel like the loose buckle in the Bible Belt! Apparently Gay Weddings are more concern than job loss, health care coverage , a liveable planet, or the unrestrained rights of corporate America over the individual. Stem cell research, Evolution Theory, OSHA standards, and a woman's right to choose are just the short list of rejected concepts. We don't have to look to the Taliban to find religious interference with individual liberty. It is right down here in USA! That earthquake in Charlottesville was Jefferson rolling over in his grave as we race backward toward the Stone Age. 
Terry Hirneisen


I am not without spirituality. But the religious mania in today’s world is cause for concern. If a pilot on a commercial aircraft can suddenly ask the passengers to raise their hand if they are Christian, that is frightening. One would wonder is this guy a religious nut with a plan for a fast route to the afterlife, or is he just an over zealous and insensitive jerk? . That means one person has religious freedom and the rest must wonder what is going on. Religious freedom means you don’t hound me on an airplane. Religious freedom means if "you found the way" keep it to yourself when operating aircraft.

But what do you expect. Forty percent of Americans claim to be “Born Again Christians” and our President professes belief in a religion that preaches a concept called Rapture. You know, Rapture, that big event that evangelicals believe every true-believing Christian, and every child under the age of 12, vanishes in an instant to a better place. All others will face the Tribulation. Such fantasy seems as believable as Santa going down every chimney on Christmas Eve, except not nearly as much fun.. In this world the Christian and Muslim Gods seem to be a blood thirsty bunch! Convert or kill seems to be the war cry. The Muslims would call me an infidel and the Christian might say a heathen. I guess the golden rule is do unto others as you would have them do unto you provided they are willing to wrap themselves in the same idiotic dogma. And we have a growing acceptance of public money going to religious charities. So I can only get a bowl of soup or medical care if I want to listen to your dribble about Jesus and salvation. This is what we mean by Faith Based Help. You know, like Hawaii, where we brought in the bibles, along with disease, guilt, and a total lack of understanding of the native life. 

The religious right wants government out of religion, but not the other way around. They are obsessed with converting you to their way of thinking. I recall that some time ago, I was sitting on my porch and two of God’s crusaders appeared riding up on bicycles. They were from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As they approached me, it did not take them long to reveal their mission. They quickly got to the meat of the matter and asked the big question: The Mormon equivalent of "Was I Saved?" I reflected a moment, and then told them this was not the appropriate question. Looking curious, they asked me to explain. I said, well, because it was not me that has 30 seconds to vacate the porch or meet my maker. And so they quickly departed and my opportunity to be assured a spot in the afterlife was again forsaken.

So along comes Wacko Mel Gibson to spread his version of the truth. And the sheep flock to absorb the gore. Adolph Hitler visited the 1934 performance of the Passion Play , giving it his eager blessing. In the words of the leader of the Third Reich "It is vital that the Passion play be continued at Oberammergau; for never has the menace of Jewry been so convincingly portrayed as in this presentation of what happened in the time of the Romans," Hitler continues "There one sees Pontius Pilate, a Roman racially and intellectually so superior, that he stands out like a firm, clean rock in the middle of the whole muck and mire of Jewry." So there you have it, the Passion play as seen by the man responsible for the biggest Genocide in history. Of course Mel's father denies the holocaust ever happened! And today's Evangelicals are happy to promote the movie to anyone that will listen. I heard one minister say it is a film everyone must see. Now I say that is rubbish! “The Bear” is a film everyone must see. It promotes compassion for nature and life. It is warm and kind and its message is respect for nature and living things. In spite of what the Jesus Freaks say this world was not put here for man alone. The world is not a garden solely for man’s exploitation. “Gorillas of the Mist “is a movie everyone should see. It says there are beautiful things in this world that man, in his hurried and self centered ways, is only too eager to destroy. And of course “Cloud, Wild Stallion of the Rockies” is for sure a movie everyone must see. It shows that in spite of all their struggles with nature, Man remains the wild horses’ greatest challenge to survival. These movies really tried to do some good and Mel Gibson was not in any of these. But I heard one person say it is good this movie came out when it did, the devil was making us all talk about gay marriage and Mel got us off that subject! 

But the world will go on spending an inordinate amount of energy on disseminating hate and calling it the religion of Jesus or Mohammed. Religion is and has always been more about Power than Truth, more about Control then Compassion. It has often been used to propel one people against another. Religion has stifled both the Arts and the Sciences. Remember how long it took to accept that the Earth was not the center of the Solar System? Remember the price Galileo paid for being a free thinking human being? In the past a man might kill and maim thousands of people and yet become the Pope! So it seems crazy to call him the Holy one! Even today the Pope goes into an impoverished, over populated country and preaches against birth control. On the other hand we have raving lunatics calling themselves Christians making sport of shooting at abortion doctors. And then there is Jerry Farwell who feels compelled to worry if some cartoon character is gay and is so worked up over gay marriage he put up a site onemanonewoman.com. Sounds to me like Jerry needs a woman himself. Of all the serious problems in the world, for a grown man proclaiming to be in touch with God to get wound tight over the sexual preference of a cartoon character seems, well, a tad trite! It encourages the kind of idiots that gave the movie "Good Boy" a horrible review because one of the dogs lived in a home with two men. Seems that Religion and Peace on Earth are in total contradiction. 

A key disturbing factor is the notion that Man is made in God’s image. It is the ultimate rationale for treating all other creatures as something God put here for man to use as he sees fit. I guess the wolf, the elephant, and the buffalo are not in God's image and if we see fit to hunt them to extinction, then that is cool with God. 

But as bad as the Christians have been, I have yet to hear of them strapping a bomb to their body and blowing themselves up in the name of God. I think we have entered another Dark Age where Religion Rules. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it is clear the good old USA is under the control of the Bible Thumping Religious Right. I feel like the loose buckle in the Bible Belt! Apparently Gay Weddings are more concern than job loss, health care coverage , a liveable planet, or the unrestrained rights of corporate America over the individual. Stem cell research, Evolution Theory, OSHA standards, and a woman&#8217;s right to choose are just the short list of rejected concepts. We don&#8217;t have to look to the Taliban to find religious interference with individual liberty. It is right down here in USA! That earthquake in Charlottesville was Jefferson rolling over in his grave as we race backward toward the Stone Age.<br />
Terry Hirneisen</p>
<p>I am not without spirituality. But the religious mania in today’s world is cause for concern. If a pilot on a commercial aircraft can suddenly ask the passengers to raise their hand if they are Christian, that is frightening. One would wonder is this guy a religious nut with a plan for a fast route to the afterlife, or is he just an over zealous and insensitive jerk? . That means one person has religious freedom and the rest must wonder what is going on. Religious freedom means you don’t hound me on an airplane. Religious freedom means if &#8220;you found the way&#8221; keep it to yourself when operating aircraft.</p>
<p>But what do you expect. Forty percent of Americans claim to be “Born Again Christians” and our President professes belief in a religion that preaches a concept called Rapture. You know, Rapture, that big event that evangelicals believe every true-believing Christian, and every child under the age of 12, vanishes in an instant to a better place. All others will face the Tribulation. Such fantasy seems as believable as Santa going down every chimney on Christmas Eve, except not nearly as much fun.. In this world the Christian and Muslim Gods seem to be a blood thirsty bunch! Convert or kill seems to be the war cry. The Muslims would call me an infidel and the Christian might say a heathen. I guess the golden rule is do unto others as you would have them do unto you provided they are willing to wrap themselves in the same idiotic dogma. And we have a growing acceptance of public money going to religious charities. So I can only get a bowl of soup or medical care if I want to listen to your dribble about Jesus and salvation. This is what we mean by Faith Based Help. You know, like Hawaii, where we brought in the bibles, along with disease, guilt, and a total lack of understanding of the native life. </p>
<p>The religious right wants government out of religion, but not the other way around. They are obsessed with converting you to their way of thinking. I recall that some time ago, I was sitting on my porch and two of God’s crusaders appeared riding up on bicycles. They were from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As they approached me, it did not take them long to reveal their mission. They quickly got to the meat of the matter and asked the big question: The Mormon equivalent of &#8220;Was I Saved?&#8221; I reflected a moment, and then told them this was not the appropriate question. Looking curious, they asked me to explain. I said, well, because it was not me that has 30 seconds to vacate the porch or meet my maker. And so they quickly departed and my opportunity to be assured a spot in the afterlife was again forsaken.</p>
<p>So along comes Wacko Mel Gibson to spread his version of the truth. And the sheep flock to absorb the gore. Adolph Hitler visited the 1934 performance of the Passion Play , giving it his eager blessing. In the words of the leader of the Third Reich &#8220;It is vital that the Passion play be continued at Oberammergau; for never has the menace of Jewry been so convincingly portrayed as in this presentation of what happened in the time of the Romans,&#8221; Hitler continues &#8220;There one sees Pontius Pilate, a Roman racially and intellectually so superior, that he stands out like a firm, clean rock in the middle of the whole muck and mire of Jewry.&#8221; So there you have it, the Passion play as seen by the man responsible for the biggest Genocide in history. Of course Mel&#8217;s father denies the holocaust ever happened! And today&#8217;s Evangelicals are happy to promote the movie to anyone that will listen. I heard one minister say it is a film everyone must see. Now I say that is rubbish! “The Bear” is a film everyone must see. It promotes compassion for nature and life. It is warm and kind and its message is respect for nature and living things. In spite of what the Jesus Freaks say this world was not put here for man alone. The world is not a garden solely for man’s exploitation. “Gorillas of the Mist “is a movie everyone should see. It says there are beautiful things in this world that man, in his hurried and self centered ways, is only too eager to destroy. And of course “Cloud, Wild Stallion of the Rockies” is for sure a movie everyone must see. It shows that in spite of all their struggles with nature, Man remains the wild horses’ greatest challenge to survival. These movies really tried to do some good and Mel Gibson was not in any of these. But I heard one person say it is good this movie came out when it did, the devil was making us all talk about gay marriage and Mel got us off that subject! </p>
<p>But the world will go on spending an inordinate amount of energy on disseminating hate and calling it the religion of Jesus or Mohammed. Religion is and has always been more about Power than Truth, more about Control then Compassion. It has often been used to propel one people against another. Religion has stifled both the Arts and the Sciences. Remember how long it took to accept that the Earth was not the center of the Solar System? Remember the price Galileo paid for being a free thinking human being? In the past a man might kill and maim thousands of people and yet become the Pope! So it seems crazy to call him the Holy one! Even today the Pope goes into an impoverished, over populated country and preaches against birth control. On the other hand we have raving lunatics calling themselves Christians making sport of shooting at abortion doctors. And then there is Jerry Farwell who feels compelled to worry if some cartoon character is gay and is so worked up over gay marriage he put up a site onemanonewoman.com. Sounds to me like Jerry needs a woman himself. Of all the serious problems in the world, for a grown man proclaiming to be in touch with God to get wound tight over the sexual preference of a cartoon character seems, well, a tad trite! It encourages the kind of idiots that gave the movie &#8220;Good Boy&#8221; a horrible review because one of the dogs lived in a home with two men. Seems that Religion and Peace on Earth are in total contradiction. </p>
<p>A key disturbing factor is the notion that Man is made in God’s image. It is the ultimate rationale for treating all other creatures as something God put here for man to use as he sees fit. I guess the wolf, the elephant, and the buffalo are not in God&#8217;s image and if we see fit to hunt them to extinction, then that is cool with God. </p>
<p>But as bad as the Christians have been, I have yet to hear of them strapping a bomb to their body and blowing themselves up in the name of God. I think we have entered another Dark Age where Religion Rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/01/pro-choice-is-not-pro-abortion/#comment-1192</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always marveled most at those "pro-choice" people who say they think abortion is wrong, some even acknowledging that it's murder, but that they support the right of a woman to choose abortion. I think that this is the MOST cowardly of all possible positions; KNOWING that abortion is murder but being unwilling to take a stand, even only a VERBAL stand. Jeez, people, we have laws against all kinds of actions in this country. Are you honestly arguing that we should have no laws? What are you an Anarchist? Do you believe in survival of the fittest/biggest/strongest? The circular arguments that I get from so-called "pro-choice" folks are laughable. 

Here's a great passage about this very thing:
SOURCE http://www.equip.org/free/DA241.htm

Some abortion-rights advocates, in response to pro-life arguments, emote such bumper-sticker slogans as: "Pro-choice, but personally opposed," "Don't like abortion, don't have one," or "Abortion is against my beliefs, but I would never dream of imposing my beliefs on others." These slogans attempt to articulate in a simple way a common avenue taken by politicians and others who want to avoid the slings and arrows that naturally follow a firm position on abortion. It is an attempt to find "a compromise" or "a middle ground"; it's a way to avoid being labeled "an extremist" of either camp. 
...One cannot appeal to the fact that we live in a pluralistic society (characterized by moral pluralism/relativism) when the very question of who is part of that society (that is, whether it includes unborn children) is itself the point under dispute.
The pro-abortionist's unargued assumption of moral relativism to solve the abortion debate reveals a tremendous ignorance of the pro-life position. For the fact is that if one believes that the unborn are fully human (persons), then the unborn carried in the wombs of pro-choice women are just as human as those carried in the wombs of pro-life women. For the pro-lifer, an unborn child is no less a human person simply because the child happens to be living inside Whoopi Goldberg or Cybil Shepherd. Ideology does not change identity. 

Pro-choicers ought to put at least some effort into understanding the pro-life position. When they tell pro-lifers (as they often do) that they have a right to believe what they want to believe, they are unwittingly promoting the radical tactics of Operation Rescue (OR). Think about it. If you believed that a class of persons were being murdered by methods that include dismemberment, suffocation, and burning — resulting in excruciating pain in many cases — wouldn't you be perplexed if someone tried to ease your outrage by telling you that you didn't have to participate in the murders if you didn't want to? That is exactly what pro-lifers hear when abortion-rights supporters tell them, "Don't like abortion, don't have one," or "I'm pro-choice, but personally opposed." In the mind of the pro-lifer, this is like telling an abolitionist, "Don't like slavery, don't own one," or telling Dietrich Bonhoffer, "Don't like the holocaust, don't kill a Jew." Consequently, to request that pro-lifers "shouldn't force their pro-life belief on others" while at the same time claiming that "they have a right to believe what they want to believe" is to reveal an incredible ignorance of their position. 

Contrary to popular belief, the so-called "pro-choice" position is not neutral. The abortion-rights activist's claim that women should have the "right to choose" to kill their unborn fetuses amounts to denying the pro-life position that the unborn are worthy of protection. And the pro-lifer's affirmation that the unborn are fully human with a "right to life" amounts to denying the abortion-rights position that women have a fundamental right to terminate their pregnancies, since such a termination would result in a homicide. It seems, then, that appealing to moral relativism (or moral pluralism ala Mario Cuomo) to "solve" the abortion debate is an intellectual impossibility and solves nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always marveled most at those &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; people who say they think abortion is wrong, some even acknowledging that it&#8217;s murder, but that they support the right of a woman to choose abortion. I think that this is the MOST cowardly of all possible positions; KNOWING that abortion is murder but being unwilling to take a stand, even only a VERBAL stand. Jeez, people, we have laws against all kinds of actions in this country. Are you honestly arguing that we should have no laws? What are you an Anarchist? Do you believe in survival of the fittest/biggest/strongest? The circular arguments that I get from so-called &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; folks are laughable. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a great passage about this very thing:<br />
SOURCE <a href="http://www.equip.org/free/DA241.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.equip.org/free/DA241.htm</a></p>
<p>Some abortion-rights advocates, in response to pro-life arguments, emote such bumper-sticker slogans as: &#8220;Pro-choice, but personally opposed,&#8221; &#8220;Don&#8217;t like abortion, don&#8217;t have one,&#8221; or &#8220;Abortion is against my beliefs, but I would never dream of imposing my beliefs on others.&#8221; These slogans attempt to articulate in a simple way a common avenue taken by politicians and others who want to avoid the slings and arrows that naturally follow a firm position on abortion. It is an attempt to find &#8220;a compromise&#8221; or &#8220;a middle ground&#8221;; it&#8217;s a way to avoid being labeled &#8220;an extremist&#8221; of either camp.<br />
&#8230;One cannot appeal to the fact that we live in a pluralistic society (characterized by moral pluralism/relativism) when the very question of who is part of that society (that is, whether it includes unborn children) is itself the point under dispute.<br />
The pro-abortionist&#8217;s unargued assumption of moral relativism to solve the abortion debate reveals a tremendous ignorance of the pro-life position. For the fact is that if one believes that the unborn are fully human (persons), then the unborn carried in the wombs of pro-choice women are just as human as those carried in the wombs of pro-life women. For the pro-lifer, an unborn child is no less a human person simply because the child happens to be living inside Whoopi Goldberg or Cybil Shepherd. Ideology does not change identity. </p>
<p>Pro-choicers ought to put at least some effort into understanding the pro-life position. When they tell pro-lifers (as they often do) that they have a right to believe what they want to believe, they are unwittingly promoting the radical tactics of Operation Rescue (OR). Think about it. If you believed that a class of persons were being murdered by methods that include dismemberment, suffocation, and burning — resulting in excruciating pain in many cases — wouldn&#8217;t you be perplexed if someone tried to ease your outrage by telling you that you didn&#8217;t have to participate in the murders if you didn&#8217;t want to? That is exactly what pro-lifers hear when abortion-rights supporters tell them, &#8220;Don&#8217;t like abortion, don&#8217;t have one,&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m pro-choice, but personally opposed.&#8221; In the mind of the pro-lifer, this is like telling an abolitionist, &#8220;Don&#8217;t like slavery, don&#8217;t own one,&#8221; or telling Dietrich Bonhoffer, &#8220;Don&#8217;t like the holocaust, don&#8217;t kill a Jew.&#8221; Consequently, to request that pro-lifers &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t force their pro-life belief on others&#8221; while at the same time claiming that &#8220;they have a right to believe what they want to believe&#8221; is to reveal an incredible ignorance of their position. </p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief, the so-called &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; position is not neutral. The abortion-rights activist&#8217;s claim that women should have the &#8220;right to choose&#8221; to kill their unborn fetuses amounts to denying the pro-life position that the unborn are worthy of protection. And the pro-lifer&#8217;s affirmation that the unborn are fully human with a &#8220;right to life&#8221; amounts to denying the abortion-rights position that women have a fundamental right to terminate their pregnancies, since such a termination would result in a homicide. It seems, then, that appealing to moral relativism (or moral pluralism ala Mario Cuomo) to &#8220;solve&#8221; the abortion debate is an intellectual impossibility and solves nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/01/pro-choice-is-not-pro-abortion/#comment-1191</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 05:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I just don't understand why you'd want to take an innocent life. Say if you had HIV/AIDS. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO OPEN YOUR LEGS, CREATE A LIFE, AND TAKE A CHANCE OF GIVING AIDS TO YOUR CHILD?!!!And, the minute you find out you're pregnant, you want an abortion! That child didn't ask to be in your stomach! That is still a life that deserves a chance to live. Save your self the trouble! Get tested and wait until you are sure you've found the right person to have sex with. Otherwise, don't make the baby suffer for your mistakes!!!!!"

As often as this point is brought up by pro-choicers, what about rape victims and pregnant children?, I don't think most people actually think about it. I was raped when I was twelve. I'm seventeen now. I can't imagine having a five year old. I'm in high school, I wouldn't be able to take care of a kid. I didn't get pregnant, but I could have. It definitely would not have been because I spread my legs and was too thick to use protection. People don't always have the ability to make sure they're with the right person, women aren't always asked whether or not they'd like to have sex. Kids get raped. Women get raped. Incest happens. That's life. It's not some far removed concept that people touch on to make a point. It happens. Alot. Way more than anyone is comfortable with admitting. Even if I'd gotten pregnant and gone the adoption route, I can't imagine the psychological damage of being 12, in 7th grade, and spending nine months carrying around my rapists baby. And since sexual abuse had already made me pretty emotionally unstable I imagine I would have tried killing myself. Guess that wouldn't be the greatest thing for the fetus either. 

I think that a fetus is more than a bundle of cells, but not the same as a person. I think that a woman's life is worth more than a potential one. And as for the argument that your adopted friend is afraid he'd have been aborted, he wouldn't care. He'd have been aborted. I guess that sounds callous, but there are so many potential babies. Everytime you use protection you have taken out the potential of a human being. It's all just chance whether or not you come here, I don't see that argument as valid. 

So yeah, keep abortion legal 'cause life ain't a fairy tale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I just don&#8217;t understand why you&#8217;d want to take an innocent life. Say if you had HIV/AIDS. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO OPEN YOUR LEGS, CREATE A LIFE, AND TAKE A CHANCE OF GIVING AIDS TO YOUR CHILD?!!!And, the minute you find out you&#8217;re pregnant, you want an abortion! That child didn&#8217;t ask to be in your stomach! That is still a life that deserves a chance to live. Save your self the trouble! Get tested and wait until you are sure you&#8217;ve found the right person to have sex with. Otherwise, don&#8217;t make the baby suffer for your mistakes!!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>As often as this point is brought up by pro-choicers, what about rape victims and pregnant children?, I don&#8217;t think most people actually think about it. I was raped when I was twelve. I&#8217;m seventeen now. I can&#8217;t imagine having a five year old. I&#8217;m in high school, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to take care of a kid. I didn&#8217;t get pregnant, but I could have. It definitely would not have been because I spread my legs and was too thick to use protection. People don&#8217;t always have the ability to make sure they&#8217;re with the right person, women aren&#8217;t always asked whether or not they&#8217;d like to have sex. Kids get raped. Women get raped. Incest happens. That&#8217;s life. It&#8217;s not some far removed concept that people touch on to make a point. It happens. Alot. Way more than anyone is comfortable with admitting. Even if I&#8217;d gotten pregnant and gone the adoption route, I can&#8217;t imagine the psychological damage of being 12, in 7th grade, and spending nine months carrying around my rapists baby. And since sexual abuse had already made me pretty emotionally unstable I imagine I would have tried killing myself. Guess that wouldn&#8217;t be the greatest thing for the fetus either. </p>
<p>I think that a fetus is more than a bundle of cells, but not the same as a person. I think that a woman&#8217;s life is worth more than a potential one. And as for the argument that your adopted friend is afraid he&#8217;d have been aborted, he wouldn&#8217;t care. He&#8217;d have been aborted. I guess that sounds callous, but there are so many potential babies. Everytime you use protection you have taken out the potential of a human being. It&#8217;s all just chance whether or not you come here, I don&#8217;t see that argument as valid. </p>
<p>So yeah, keep abortion legal &#8217;cause life ain&#8217;t a fairy tale.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely right Lilliana!! They talk about adoption, but don't rush to adopt those children. Well I wouldn't want to adopt either... for the simple reason I don't know what genetic background of those children or pregnancy history of their mothers. If someone caring the baby knowing ahead of time she is gonna put him /her for adoption because she cant get an abortion since Government said so, what makes anyone think that person cares about what she is caring and would stay alcohol/cigarettes/drugs free all 9 month. Those so called Pro-life idiots don't know what are they fighting for and what the consequences could be..I'll tell you.. Abortions still would be perfomed...underground...in the garage somewhere...using metal hangers...and the garbage cans would be filled with the dead bodies of new born babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely right Lilliana!! They talk about adoption, but don&#8217;t rush to adopt those children. Well I wouldn&#8217;t want to adopt either&#8230; for the simple reason I don&#8217;t know what genetic background of those children or pregnancy history of their mothers. If someone caring the baby knowing ahead of time she is gonna put him /her for adoption because she cant get an abortion since Government said so, what makes anyone think that person cares about what she is caring and would stay alcohol/cigarettes/drugs free all 9 month. Those so called Pro-life idiots don&#8217;t know what are they fighting for and what the consequences could be..I&#8217;ll tell you.. Abortions still would be perfomed&#8230;underground&#8230;in the garage somewhere&#8230;using metal hangers&#8230;and the garbage cans would be filled with the dead bodies of new born babies.</p>
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		<title>By: lilliana</title>
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		<dc:creator>lilliana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow .. Is definitely all I have to say towards the intensity in this discussion im reading. Although I came across this sight by accident looking for help with my situation, im glad i did.

I am, I guess you could say an example to this whole discussion.
Im 20 yrs old and have gone through 4 abortions already .. And guess what ??!!!?!??? 

Yes, if you guessed im pregnant again then your right. There was no broken condom though i just woke up to a dick inside of me, Im not justifying my previous abortions because if i could go back in time knowing that in all reality you dont need the father to raise your baby, i would. But the fathers were .. well like someone had wrote
"bad person = bad father" not saying every bad man is going to be a bad father but they were'nt trying to make room in their life for improvements or change and I felt why bring a baby into a wreck like that.. I didn't wait long i made my decisions within the first 2 months .. 
Its crazy when you go through it. You, as a woman, find this joy that you have a mini-you growing inside of you, but when consequences, reality and finance kick in thats where your happiness gets crushed .. and as well as whatever the situation might be on how you got pregnant.
Its just my opinion but I must agree that it is unfair to take away one of the choices women have no real control over .. WOMEN CANT HELP IT GOD GAVE US THE GIFT OF BIRTH, YES. BUT AS WELL HE GAVE US WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT IS WISE. WITH THE CHOICE OF ABORTION BEING TAKEN AWAY WOMEN WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IN MIND THE CHOICE THEN OF HAVING THEIR OVARIES REMOVED TO AVOID HAVING TO GO THROUGH A WAREHOUSE ABORTION.
Like my situation .. im  pro-choice but as well as  knowing it hurt me alot, and yes all 4 times for any wise-asses, to go through the abortions and give up my babies. But it was something that had to get done.And for those who hate abortion so much and say there's the option of adoption .. 
Whens the last time you fuckin went to an adoption clinic .. Helped out an adoption center .. Sent some money..  since you care soooo much about what happens to a life. The government cant even stop world hunger and they choose to talk about and take away abortion .. Whats worse killing a embryo or watching a 9 yr old boy die slowly from starvation. All seems a bit hypocritical to me!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow .. Is definitely all I have to say towards the intensity in this discussion im reading. Although I came across this sight by accident looking for help with my situation, im glad i did.</p>
<p>I am, I guess you could say an example to this whole discussion.<br />
Im 20 yrs old and have gone through 4 abortions already .. And guess what ??!!!?!??? </p>
<p>Yes, if you guessed im pregnant again then your right. There was no broken condom though i just woke up to a dick inside of me, Im not justifying my previous abortions because if i could go back in time knowing that in all reality you dont need the father to raise your baby, i would. But the fathers were .. well like someone had wrote<br />
&#8220;bad person = bad father&#8221; not saying every bad man is going to be a bad father but they were&#8217;nt trying to make room in their life for improvements or change and I felt why bring a baby into a wreck like that.. I didn&#8217;t wait long i made my decisions within the first 2 months ..<br />
Its crazy when you go through it. You, as a woman, find this joy that you have a mini-you growing inside of you, but when consequences, reality and finance kick in thats where your happiness gets crushed .. and as well as whatever the situation might be on how you got pregnant.<br />
Its just my opinion but I must agree that it is unfair to take away one of the choices women have no real control over .. WOMEN CANT HELP IT GOD GAVE US THE GIFT OF BIRTH, YES. BUT AS WELL HE GAVE US WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT IS WISE. WITH THE CHOICE OF ABORTION BEING TAKEN AWAY WOMEN WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IN MIND THE CHOICE THEN OF HAVING THEIR OVARIES REMOVED TO AVOID HAVING TO GO THROUGH A WAREHOUSE ABORTION.<br />
Like my situation .. im  pro-choice but as well as  knowing it hurt me alot, and yes all 4 times for any wise-asses, to go through the abortions and give up my babies. But it was something that had to get done.And for those who hate abortion so much and say there&#8217;s the option of adoption ..<br />
Whens the last time you fuckin went to an adoption clinic .. Helped out an adoption center .. Sent some money..  since you care soooo much about what happens to a life. The government cant even stop world hunger and they choose to talk about and take away abortion .. Whats worse killing a embryo or watching a 9 yr old boy die slowly from starvation. All seems a bit hypocritical to me!!</p>
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		<title>By: everythingrithgwinghates</title>
		<link>http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/01/pro-choice-is-not-pro-abortion/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>everythingrithgwinghates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 07:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If abortion is a murder than blow job is a cannibalism"!! It's better if Jesus-lovers-dumb-redneck-girls abort their pregnacies, than later they will murder and dump somewhere in the garbage their new born babies they did not want from the beginning, but were forced by the Govermerment to have them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If abortion is a murder than blow job is a cannibalism&#8221;!! It&#8217;s better if Jesus-lovers-dumb-redneck-girls abort their pregnacies, than later they will murder and dump somewhere in the garbage their new born babies they did not want from the beginning, but were forced by the Govermerment to have them.</p>
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		<title>By: Marina</title>
		<link>http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/01/pro-choice-is-not-pro-abortion/#comment-1187</link>
		<dc:creator>Marina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2006 04:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with you on this topic. Everyone should be free to decide what to do with theirs lives and bodies. I don't consider abortion as murder, because fetus lives as a parasite of woman's body it cant survive on its own and few hundred of cells are not exactly what we call human being. I have 5 children it was my choice to keep my pregnancies. But if someone for whatever reason wants to get an abortion its better this way than later to raise unwanted child. While abortions are legal people are getting it done in clinics and by professionals but when its going to be illegal people still will abort their unwanted pregnancies but this time in unsterilized conditions which would lead to infections and even death. Government should focus more on SEX EDUCATION this is going to prevent abortions and there is much more important issues in this country to solve than forcing (just like you said) rape victims to keep unwanted babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with you on this topic. Everyone should be free to decide what to do with theirs lives and bodies. I don&#8217;t consider abortion as murder, because fetus lives as a parasite of woman&#8217;s body it cant survive on its own and few hundred of cells are not exactly what we call human being. I have 5 children it was my choice to keep my pregnancies. But if someone for whatever reason wants to get an abortion its better this way than later to raise unwanted child. While abortions are legal people are getting it done in clinics and by professionals but when its going to be illegal people still will abort their unwanted pregnancies but this time in unsterilized conditions which would lead to infections and even death. Government should focus more on SEX EDUCATION this is going to prevent abortions and there is much more important issues in this country to solve than forcing (just like you said) rape victims to keep unwanted babies.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/01/pro-choice-is-not-pro-abortion/#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow,look for once at someone you love.think of that person think that someone one day may not have a great person like that one.that person may be killed by an abortion.why abort?dont ABORT!its killing a baby are you aware of that even if it is your choice its your choice to take away a human's life?you concieved it and created it so its your responsibility to take care of it.that is the choice you made by having sex to create a human life even if unwanted there are other choices like adoption.Why kill?stop the madness and start thinking more clearly.have you ever thought?have you seen pictures of abortions?if you had one just stop and stop encouraging because you also can make a difference to stop it...even Roe did NOT like her decision...even the person who made abortion legal is on the pro-life side against abortion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow,look for once at someone you love.think of that person think that someone one day may not have a great person like that one.that person may be killed by an abortion.why abort?dont ABORT!its killing a baby are you aware of that even if it is your choice its your choice to take away a human&#8217;s life?you concieved it and created it so its your responsibility to take care of it.that is the choice you made by having sex to create a human life even if unwanted there are other choices like adoption.Why kill?stop the madness and start thinking more clearly.have you ever thought?have you seen pictures of abortions?if you had one just stop and stop encouraging because you also can make a difference to stop it&#8230;even Roe did NOT like her decision&#8230;even the person who made abortion legal is on the pro-life side against abortion</p>
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		<title>By: rightwinger</title>
		<link>http://www.duanemoody.com/2006/01/pro-choice-is-not-pro-abortion/#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, you're talking about choice... I am talking about the "its a woman's body, she can do what she wants with it point." I don't think abortion should be a choice because of the reasons I already stated. I think making the choice to kill the life inside you is no different than killing your newborn, or your 5 year old. Now, obviously there are differences, but you get my point. I know that the adoption programs are not easy processes, and I wish there were more people who want to adopt; but I still think there are better options to abortion, which is why I don't think it should be a choice. How come every time I get on here I am talking about choices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, you&#8217;re talking about choice&#8230; I am talking about the &#8220;its a woman&#8217;s body, she can do what she wants with it point.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think abortion should be a choice because of the reasons I already stated. I think making the choice to kill the life inside you is no different than killing your newborn, or your 5 year old. Now, obviously there are differences, but you get my point. I know that the adoption programs are not easy processes, and I wish there were more people who want to adopt; but I still think there are better options to abortion, which is why I don&#8217;t think it should be a choice. How come every time I get on here I am talking about choices?</p>
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		<title>By: duane</title>
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		<dc:creator>duane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rightwinger, again I will emphasize that the post is actually not about abortion, but about choice. Abortion, whether you are for or against it, should never be your choice to take away from someone; they should be able to make that decision themselves. Regardless if you think it is a life or not, it is not your place to put rules and regulations on women's bodies for the sake of upholding what you believe to be true. 

I personally don't think that abortion is taking a life (mainly because of the "can't survive theory", even though, after the first trimester, it obviously is taking a life, and even then, they can't survive outside the womb, but whatever); but since you raised a good point, that babies can't survive without care givers, then perhaps those that are so pro-life will be willing to provide for those children that are unwanted. Unfortunately, that isn't the case, and most of the time, pro-lifers are the same people that spend all of their time and energy trying to prevent gays and lesbians from giving those children homes and care givers, as well as spending lots of time trying to prevent single parents and indigent parents from receiving the assistance they need to raise the children they were sometimes "forced" to have. That is something to think about; everything has a consequence, and I just don't think that many of the pro-lifers think about the consequence of being denying a choice of what you can do with your (and your potential baby's) own life. 

If all the babies conceived should be born, step up and take some responsibility; make sure they have a chance, and don't turn your back on them as we historically (and continually) have and do.+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rightwinger, again I will emphasize that the post is actually not about abortion, but about choice. Abortion, whether you are for or against it, should never be your choice to take away from someone; they should be able to make that decision themselves. Regardless if you think it is a life or not, it is not your place to put rules and regulations on women&#8217;s bodies for the sake of upholding what you believe to be true. </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t think that abortion is taking a life (mainly because of the &#8220;can&#8217;t survive theory&#8221;, even though, after the first trimester, it obviously is taking a life, and even then, they can&#8217;t survive outside the womb, but whatever); but since you raised a good point, that babies can&#8217;t survive without care givers, then perhaps those that are so pro-life will be willing to provide for those children that are unwanted. Unfortunately, that isn&#8217;t the case, and most of the time, pro-lifers are the same people that spend all of their time and energy trying to prevent gays and lesbians from giving those children homes and care givers, as well as spending lots of time trying to prevent single parents and indigent parents from receiving the assistance they need to raise the children they were sometimes &#8220;forced&#8221; to have. That is something to think about; everything has a consequence, and I just don&#8217;t think that many of the pro-lifers think about the consequence of being denying a choice of what you can do with your (and your potential baby&#8217;s) own life. </p>
<p>If all the babies conceived should be born, step up and take some responsibility; make sure they have a chance, and don&#8217;t turn your back on them as we historically (and continually) have and do.+</p>
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